Oral-History:WALTER L ELDEN-IEEE'S ENGINEERS AND TECHNOLOGISTS NEED THEIR OWN PROFESSIONAL SOCIETY
IEEE’S ENGINEERS’ AND TECHNOLOGISTS’ PROFESSIONAL MEMBERS, NEED THEIR OWNː “SOCIETY OF PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERS AND TECHNOLOGISTS-THE SPET”; AND "MUST REMAIN FREE OF BUSINESS MEMBERS' CONTROL ǃǃǃ"
OBITUARY OF DR STEPHEN H UNGER
DR STEVE UNGER PASSED AWAY ON THE "FOURTH OF JULY, 2023". A PAST PROFESSOR OF COMPUTER ELECTRONICS AT COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY, HE DEVOTED 60 YEARS TO IEEE ETHICS AND PROFESSIONALISM.
CO-CREATOR OF IEEE’S CSIT AND SSIT, WITH CSIT GETTING IEEE IN THE BART CASE, 1975, ETHICALLY SUPPORTING 3 ENGINEERS WITH AN HISTORIC IEEE AMICUS CURIE BRIEF; THEN HE LED A USAB TASK FORCE DEVELOP MEMBER DISCIPLINE PROCEDURES, 1978.
Steve Unger was "The Father of IEEE Ethics"
READ A SAMPLE OF UNGER'S ACTION WRITINGSː
a. The Case of the Vanishing Ethics Article
b. The Assault on IEEE Ethics Support
THESIS OF THIS PRESENTATION
POST-1912 AIEE, IRE AND 1963 IEEE SOCIETIES, LED BY THEIR BUSINESS MEMBERS, HAVE SUBJUGATED THEIR MEMBERS’ PROFESSIONALISM AND CONSTRAINED ETHICAL PRACTICES TO BUSINESS DOMINATED GOALS AND ACTIVITIES; THEREFORE, POST-1963 IEEE PROFESSIONALS MUST HAVE THEIR OWN ORGANIZATION, FREE OF BUSINESS DOMINATION.
ONE EXAMPLE IS THAT HOPEFULLY A "NEW BOARD WOULD NOT VIOLATE IEEE'S BYLAWS, POLICIES AND PROCEDURES" BY REFUSING TO IMPLEMENT BY-LAW APPROVED "ETHICS ADVICE AND SUPPORT" FOR THE MEMBERS
WHEN THE 1912 NY SUPREME COURT RULED, ALLOWING BUSINESS MEMBERS OF THE AIEE TO BEGIN SERVING ON ITS BOARD OF DIRECTORS, AIEE-IEEE ENGINEER & TECHNOLOGIST MEMBERS, THEN AND THROUGH THE SUCEEDING 111 YEARS LOST THEIR INDEPENDENT “PROFESSIONAL” STATUS AND IN PLACE, UP TO AND INCLUDING 2023, THEN BELONGED TO A BUSINESS DOMINATED TECHNICAL INSTITUTE, HAVING LOST WHAT THE 1884-1912 ENGINEERING AIEE SOCIETY FOREFATHER PROFESSIONALS, NOT BUSINESS LEADERS HAD CREATED.
GUEST COMMENTS-FROM Judge Paul M. Spinden; Professor, Judge, Author, (434) 592-5300
"The Enigma of Engineering’s Industrial PE Exemption: The Exception that Swallowed A Profession”
“While serving in the Missouri Attorney General’s Office, Judge Spinden headed prosecution of the structural engineers held to be responsible for the worst building failure in United States history, the collapse of the Kansas City Hyatt Regency atrium walkways on July 17, 1981, in which 114 persons were killed”.
The Following is Quoted from I. Introduction (Spinden)
(1) engineers working under the supervision of a licensed engineer who takes responsibility for the unlicensed engineer’s work;
(2) engineers employed by public utilities;
(3) engineers employed by the federal government;
(4) engineers employed by a state government; and
(5) “in-house” engineers employed by a manufacturing or other business firm (known as the “industrial exemption”).14
The policy underlying these exemptions, especially the industrial exemption, is perplexing. It begs the question of how an engineer’s working for an industrial firm protects the public and makes licensing unnecessary. No state exempts a lawyer or physician from licensure simply because he or she is employed by the government or a corporation. How does a state justify requiring a florist to have a license, no matter where he or she works,15 but does not require an engineer, whose negligence can kill,16 to obtain a license simply because he or she works for an industrial firm?”
As incompatible with protecting the public as the industrial exemption seems to be, the courts have made clear that the states are free to persist in such policies. In such matters as licensing, the states have virtually unfettered discretion. The United States Supreme Court has declared that regulatory licensing is one the government’s strongest powers to be wielded as it deems necessary for protecting society.17
Even if the policy of the exemptions does not violate due process rights, it is difficult to defend as good government. Indeed, the exemptions raise suspicions that their enactment had more to do with politics—protecting the private interests of industrial firms and others—than with good government.18 Unlike any other profession, engineering has always been dominated by large industrial interests, which often have much political power.19 Although engineers provided the genius and ingenuity for America’s industrialization, they did so as employees of business entities and entrepreneurs. Little has changed. As Edwin Layton observed, engineering has always involved an attempt—with mixed success—to blend science and business. “[T]he test of an engineer’s work,” he said, “lies not in the laboratory, but in the marketplace.”20 Engineers’ success has always been tied to industry’s success,21 and today the overwhelming majority of engineers—as many as ninety percent22—work for large manufacturing businesses, exempting them from licensure in states recognizing an industrial exemption.23
This article (Spinden) probes the soundness of the policy underlying the industrial exemption. It concludes that, although emergence of the exemption was a natural consequence of engineering’s close alliance from the very start with big business, the exemption has thwarted engineering’s development as a bona fide profession. It also concludes that only with elimination or a significant reengineering of the exemption can the profession truly expect to attain profession status. Such a rethinking about the exemption will come only with a major change in attitude by engineering practitioners as to what it means to be an engineer.”
-End of SPINDEN Quotes-
THE EVOLUTION FROM THE AIEE AND IRE, TO IEEE TODAYǃǃǃ - EDITOR ELDEN
AIEE; IRE; THEN THE IEEE (1884 - 2023)
The first “Founding Hands-On Engineer Professionals” got off to a promising start in 1884 when the American Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers, known as the AIEE, became incorporated and began business as America’s first 'self-run' Professional Engineers Society; WITH THEIR OWN LEGALLY APPROVED CONSTITUTION, BY-lAWS, POLICIES AND P.ROCEDURES
This 1950 updated ETHICS CODE remained in place until 1963 when the Institute of Radio Engineers, the IRE, fell in line and together with the AIEE together formed today’s Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers, IEEE, and was restricted to indulge only in Technical Activities, completing the changing from the original AIEE Professionals.
Up until that merger, FROM 1912-1963 AIEE and IRE focused only on Technical, but no Professional matters, except that the 1912 Code of Ethics, established by the AIEE, but was not adopted by the Technical only IRE it was believed. Neither Society officially focused on Professional or active Ethical matters; instead, only Technical Business was allowed til 1973 with the amending of IEEE’s Constitution adding Professional Activities for the first time since the AIEE of 1912.
During the 40 years Ethical Advice and Ethical Support were not allowed to Engineer and Technologist members, can IEEE be viewed as having been a full Professional Society during that period? I CANNOT AGREE TO A 'YES'. (Editor)
AUDIO AND TEXT PRESENTATIONS TO FOLLOW
For use here, the editor spent considerable time reviewing and bringing those audios up to date, greatly delaying the completion of the work herein. At this time only the introduction audios are being released, ALONG WITH A FEW NEEDED TO ILLUSTRATE IN GREATER DETAIL ABOUT REAL SITUATIONS. Thank you for your patience. Others will be released later.
AUDIO RECORDED DISCUSSIONS BY WALTER ELDEN
̇NOTICEː TO LISTEN TO AUDIO, SELECT "CONTROL & CLICK" ON EACH LINK
AUDIO A - INTRODUCTION PART #1
AUDIO B - INTRODUCTION PART #2
AUDIO C - INTRODUCTION PART #3
AUDIO D - INTRODUCTION PART #4
- Should IEEE Remain in Control by Business Members or Engineers-Technologists???
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AUDIO #2 – .
IEEE Ethics: When Advice and Support Went Dark - IEEE Spectrum
IEEE Ethics: When Advice and Support Went Dark - IEEE Spectrum
AUDIO #3 – S
AUDIO #4– An IEEE Contract Agreement Exists to Provide Ethics Advice/Support to Members
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AUDIO – Equal Protection Under the 14th US Constitutional Amendment is Needed for Professionals
AUDIO #5 - Laws Needing Ethical Support for Engineers and Technologies
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AUDIO #7 - ADDED AUDIO #11- IMPORTANT "NON-WIN, NON-WIN" ETHICS Cases; NASA, VW,
AUDIO #9 –
AUDIO #10 - Achieving a WIN-WIN Outcome in a Dispute
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AUDIO #11 –
· 1 Kathy Pretz, Chief Editor of IEEE’s INSTITUTE, conducted a raw interview of IEEE Life Senior Member Walter L. Elden, P.E. (RET) on April 23, 2021 to prepare for a June 2021 article in SPECTRUM/Institute. The subject matter focused on his views and past experiences in Professionalism and Ethics.
Kathy Pretz, Chief Editor of IEEE’s INSTITUTE, conducted a raw interview of IEEE Life Senior Member Walter L. Elden, P.E. (RET) on April 23, 2021 to prepare for a June 2021 article in SPECTRUM/Institute. The subject matter focused on his views and past experiences in Professionalism and Ethics.[edit | edit source]
AUDIO – PREAMBLE
INTRODUCTION by Walter Elden.mp3 (dropbox.com)
AUDIO – INTRODUCTION #1 OF 3
AUDIO – INTRODUCTION #2 OF 3
AUDIO – INTRODUCTION #3 OF 3
AND ARE T
WRITTEN ARTICLES SUPPORTING AUDIO TALKS
are shown next.
AUDIO #1- INTRODUCTION
THE IEEE HAS NOT EXISTED AS A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERING SOCIETY SINCE THE 1912 TAKEOVER APPROVED BY A BUSINESS FAVORED NEW YORK SUPREME COURT DECISION